Except....in the North, our beloved Sunna is feminine, and the moon is masculine. Probably some vestiges of the paleolith before the rise of civilization when humans were still wild and free, living in harmony with the earth (which seems to be feminine everywhere I've walked.)
Ya know, I grew up knowing about my Celtic descent, and had already done my Celtic studies (after I was challenged by a sweat lodge woman due to my love for Nahuatl, although I could have easily claimed “in-law connection” , rather than just my love for language(s), as it's my son's inheritance through his dad's mother). But there were no known stories in our family about any Nordic descent, so I was puzzled to understand my fascination, in later years, with everything Old Norse-ish. Until I saw a couple of kids in a backstage shot, on a music video, of Tyr band's former guitarist, recognized the kids as my genetic kin by the facial bone structure, decided to have my DNA analysis done. Found out a lot about what was driving my interests! 45% Celtic, 38% Scandinavian, 12% English, and the remnant Middle Eastern and Jewish. Although the latter was labelled “Ashkenazi”, I do know I have a Sephardic line through my dad's mother, so I claim Sephardic “tribal” status, even though they say you can no more be “partly Jewish” than you can be “partly pregnant”. 😂
As a history nerd this is amazing. It's like a stream of consciousness stand-up, but for lore. I love you instead of pulling punches you just said things like light-order-goodguy-ra. Because that's how they wrote this stuff at the time mostly. This was a fun ride, thanks for making it!
Very interesting and entertaining, thank you. It reminded me of the opening lines of “‘Cross the Green Mountain” by Bob Dylan, which he wrote about the Civil War -
Meanhwile, baccat the North, Thor (Thunnor, thunder ) claimed to have once caught Jormangand by using a bull for bait, but depending on who's telling the tale, what happened then was that one of the good sea-serpent's Thurse-kin, specifically, the frost giant who was rowing the boat, cut the fishing line (who was, incidentally, the bull's rightful owner and the father of Tyr). Or else the mighty and clever sea-serpent fought his way off the hook and got away on his own from the mighty but unclever Thor. And of course, maybe both versions are true. Hail Jormgandr! And Hail Tyr, hwile we're at it! I dearly love you, my Thurse-kin sister. 💜
Excellent article - and cheers for the Tiamat-D&D reference! Are you aware of her appearance in Jung's "Red Book?" That's something to see if you haven't already.
Here’s a picture of the ‘Barbarian with the double-headed-ax’ that kills Tiamat in the book (I don’t remember if Tiamat is depicted specifically - last I saw the book was ten years ago now).
Yeah, buddy - especially since he's one of the few unconquered ones left. And he's destined to kill Thor at Ragnarok (mutual destruction, according to those who are the god-lovers/Thurse-haters telling the story. They may always win, but they sure do manage to commandeer the pen. BTW, Samara, you will want to spell the Northern sea-dragon's name properly<ahem> which I may have failed to do, forgive me father for I have sinned, I got enchanted by Samara's sea monsters and started writing before I drank my second cup of coffee after a short nites sleep due to drinking too much coffee yesterday because I had to zoom to Old English classes totally unprepared since I've been away from class for a month due to digital chaos not entirely of my own making plus chaotically moving ..
Correct spelling with grammatical note:
Jormungandr - this is the "nominative" form, that R on the end of many Old Norse words (as in Tyr, aka Tiw) tells you this is the subject, or the Actor in the sentence.
Jormungandr is a Thurse/Jotunn/Spiritual Giant who lives in the sea. He gets his R here. He is the Actor.
I love Jormungand -- No R here, because Jormundgand is in the "accusative" case, aka - he has been accused of being loved by yours truly. Wretched Latin grammatical terms, lol. Direct object. The Reciever.
Usually English speakers drop the R case markers off of Old Norse words, to keep it simple... except in the exceptional case of Tyr! A sign of power, perhaps, as modern English speakers perpetually cast him as the Actor!
Tyr loves me. I love Tyr. Nobody knows who you're talking about if you say I love Ty. And maybe they shouldn't 🤣.
Well, no goats yet, but I'm halfway thru said second cup and go weed the dycondra ground cover (spelling unknown) and water the new additions to the landscaping.
The story of seamonsters is always and everywhere a story of the fear of the female (sea) by worshippers of the male (sun).
yep I include mermaids/sirens too -- mystical, terrifying, unknown, unsettlingly desirable
Except....in the North, our beloved Sunna is feminine, and the moon is masculine. Probably some vestiges of the paleolith before the rise of civilization when humans were still wild and free, living in harmony with the earth (which seems to be feminine everywhere I've walked.)
I love this!
I’ve always known the North was better. Thank you for this wonderful mini lesson!!
Elaine Knows All about the North!
Ya know, I grew up knowing about my Celtic descent, and had already done my Celtic studies (after I was challenged by a sweat lodge woman due to my love for Nahuatl, although I could have easily claimed “in-law connection” , rather than just my love for language(s), as it's my son's inheritance through his dad's mother). But there were no known stories in our family about any Nordic descent, so I was puzzled to understand my fascination, in later years, with everything Old Norse-ish. Until I saw a couple of kids in a backstage shot, on a music video, of Tyr band's former guitarist, recognized the kids as my genetic kin by the facial bone structure, decided to have my DNA analysis done. Found out a lot about what was driving my interests! 45% Celtic, 38% Scandinavian, 12% English, and the remnant Middle Eastern and Jewish. Although the latter was labelled “Ashkenazi”, I do know I have a Sephardic line through my dad's mother, so I claim Sephardic “tribal” status, even though they say you can no more be “partly Jewish” than you can be “partly pregnant”. 😂
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Great essay, gonna read it some more times.
thank you!! very happy you enjoyed
As a history nerd this is amazing. It's like a stream of consciousness stand-up, but for lore. I love you instead of pulling punches you just said things like light-order-goodguy-ra. Because that's how they wrote this stuff at the time mostly. This was a fun ride, thanks for making it!
thank you so much, Gil! high praise from a history nerd :)
Very interesting and entertaining, thank you. It reminded me of the opening lines of “‘Cross the Green Mountain” by Bob Dylan, which he wrote about the Civil War -
“I cross the Green Mountain
I sit by the stream
Heaven blazing in my head
I dreamed a monstrous dream
Something came up
Out of the sea
Swept through the land of
The rich and the free”
oh I love that connection and seeing the way the character continues to resurface
Lordy, lordy, dude! That's a good one. Never heard that Dylan song. Thanks for sharing.
PS Yacumama looks suspiciously like he's kin to the Quezalcoatl. Temtum (tempt 'um) TEM trading currently at 0.082 or therebouts
good point, definitely a Quetzalcousin & TEM not quite tempting enough…
Of course, he/she/it/they do! The myth lives on, the unconquered revenant, and we thank you
for participating in its glory. 💜
Meanhwile, baccat the North, Thor (Thunnor, thunder ) claimed to have once caught Jormangand by using a bull for bait, but depending on who's telling the tale, what happened then was that one of the good sea-serpent's Thurse-kin, specifically, the frost giant who was rowing the boat, cut the fishing line (who was, incidentally, the bull's rightful owner and the father of Tyr). Or else the mighty and clever sea-serpent fought his way off the hook and got away on his own from the mighty but unclever Thor. And of course, maybe both versions are true. Hail Jormgandr! And Hail Tyr, hwile we're at it! I dearly love you, my Thurse-kin sister. 💜
I love this! did not know this seamonster! will add to the family tree
Excellent article - and cheers for the Tiamat-D&D reference! Are you aware of her appearance in Jung's "Red Book?" That's something to see if you haven't already.
woah no I did not know she appeared there - I just tried to find it but couldn't... if you happen to have a link to an image, I'd be thrilled
Here’s a picture of the ‘Barbarian with the double-headed-ax’ that kills Tiamat in the book (I don’t remember if Tiamat is depicted specifically - last I saw the book was ten years ago now).
can’t see it! try sending via DM if you can - if not I’ll just do more ferreting around for it online :)
WONDERFUL!
thanks HAROLD!!! means a lot from you!
Yeah, buddy - especially since he's one of the few unconquered ones left. And he's destined to kill Thor at Ragnarok (mutual destruction, according to those who are the god-lovers/Thurse-haters telling the story. They may always win, but they sure do manage to commandeer the pen. BTW, Samara, you will want to spell the Northern sea-dragon's name properly<ahem> which I may have failed to do, forgive me father for I have sinned, I got enchanted by Samara's sea monsters and started writing before I drank my second cup of coffee after a short nites sleep due to drinking too much coffee yesterday because I had to zoom to Old English classes totally unprepared since I've been away from class for a month due to digital chaos not entirely of my own making plus chaotically moving ..
Correct spelling with grammatical note:
Jormungandr - this is the "nominative" form, that R on the end of many Old Norse words (as in Tyr, aka Tiw) tells you this is the subject, or the Actor in the sentence.
Jormungandr is a Thurse/Jotunn/Spiritual Giant who lives in the sea. He gets his R here. He is the Actor.
I love Jormungand -- No R here, because Jormundgand is in the "accusative" case, aka - he has been accused of being loved by yours truly. Wretched Latin grammatical terms, lol. Direct object. The Reciever.
Usually English speakers drop the R case markers off of Old Norse words, to keep it simple... except in the exceptional case of Tyr! A sign of power, perhaps, as modern English speakers perpetually cast him as the Actor!
Tyr loves me. I love Tyr. Nobody knows who you're talking about if you say I love Ty. And maybe they shouldn't 🤣.
Well, no goats yet, but I'm halfway thru said second cup and go weed the dycondra ground cover (spelling unknown) and water the new additions to the landscaping.
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Jormungandr it is! and cheers to the second cup of coffee!